figocooldude (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Well actually state capitalism applies to all marxist, I haven't read much about Trotsky, but you seem to know him quite well. Maybe he might of coined the term, but in other fields state capitalism is what marxism aim for, the idea of state capitalism exists before Trostky, the anarchist like Bakunin already had the idea behind that term.

chutoduro (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

What are you talking about?Milton Friedman´s extreme capitalistic theories were in deed put in practice in Chile and other parts of Latin America.He´s theories were applicated with free hands.Have you heard about the "Chicago Boys" ?The world was a different place back then.The capitalistic-world-domination with the so called "Globalisation" had not gone as far as today, but it was capitalism all right.Not even the US has real Capitalism if you measure by complete free trade.

beepandbop (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Maybe you need to grow up, stop calling names, do a little studying and realize what Chile experienced was not Capitalism, but an attempt at it. It's like saying Perestroika was extreme capitalism, and that got Russia in the shithole. People point at that and say "See? Capitalism is bad." However, that wasn't free market trading by an measure.

beepandbop (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

"State Capitalism" was another term introduced by Trotsky to label his rival Stalin and his successors. Again, Trotsky and the communists were a bunch of thugs, and Trotsky was trying to establish himself as "The True Communist."Sure they're two separate things, State Capitalism is really an oxymoron coined by a moron.

figocooldude (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Socialism by definition is colective ownership of the means of production by those who work. Don't get confused kid, one thing is the state capitalism of th USSR and another thing is socialism. Can it be accomplished, thats another story.

khallaghi (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

It very sad he died before his idea, today we can see result of his theory . Economic collapse

MetaMorphy (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Why would he agree to introduce this out of context dribble?

jaar2001 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

blablablayou can repeat "i'm right and you're wrong" as much as you want, you don't prove anything. Facts are more obstinate than you.

beepandbop (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Ok, for one thing: Trotsky was a puppet of Stalin, Stalin and Hitler were in a sort of "ideaological" competition. That is, they had the same ideas but different ideological terms. Both countries were government controlled, it's just Germany's ethos was that of the white man, while Russia's was the Worker. Both countries' major capital was controlled by the government.The second point is this: Trotsky is naturally going to slate Fascism with capitalism. It's typical communist jargon.

Incendiarismm (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Read Trotsky's pamphlet called Fascism: What it is and how to fight it. Germany was not socialist, and using what you just said I can assure you that small businesses were allowed to conduct themselves the way they did before the nazis arose to power.