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4Skunky (July 31, 2008 at 10:02 am)
Unfortunately for you version of the story, ukrainesuperpower87, it's not just Israel that's reporting what happened. Sources in the Arab world (no firend or ally to Israel) have said Syria and Iran expressed grave concerns about the ease with which Israel defeated the 2 Pantsir systems at the nuclear site. Are you saying they're lying, too? FWIW, it looks like you're wrong in saying Syria's S-200s were "sufficient set for full covering anti-air protection", as many of them were overflown.
ukrainesuperpower87 (July 31, 2008 at 3:44 am)
"Syria lost 2 Pantsir systems in the Israeli raid"It's lie actually, Israel propaganda. Bullshit.Syria still don't have "Pantsir" systems fully deployed or delivered. Their best air-defence is outdated s-200. It's still capable to shot down planes, but Syrians don't have these old systems in sufficient set for full covering anti-air protection.
4Skunky (July 30, 2008 at 5:39 pm)
Israel took out Syria's nuclear facility (defended by 2 Pantsir systems) and learned about the Pantsir's capabilities before taking them out at the nuclear site. Why is this so hard to follow, vtkrey? Are you upset because Russia's "state-of-the-art" was outwitted by the Israelis and/or their allies?
4Skunky (July 30, 2008 at 5:37 pm)
The whole point is that what the Russians claimed about the capabilities WASN'T and ISN'T true, vtkrey. That's why, after the embarrassing results of the Israeli raid, they were forced to upgrade not only Pantsir's but other existing anti-aircraft systems' electronics. Israel wasn't risking anything, as they evidently had a pretty good idea of Pantsir's capabilities (or lack thereof, as it turned out). They got a 2-for-1 in the deal.
4Skunky (July 30, 2008 at 5:37 pm)
Sounds like you're trying to convince yourself that your desired version is somehow true, despite all the circumstantial evidence to the contrary, vtkrey. Russia's boast is that the system is state-of-the-art, but evidently someone found a way around it. Why else would Russia be having to upgrade the electronics on brand new Pantsir systems so close on the heels of the Israeli raid? They were brand new systems after all, only recently delivered to Syria.
vtkrey (July 30, 2008 at 5:17 pm)
Stop trying to convince me that your favoured side of the story is the correct one, because you don't know more that me on this, the only difference between us is, you hate to see Russians have this new state of the art system, so you are doing anything you can to convince yourself and others that its not affective.
vtkrey (July 30, 2008 at 5:17 pm)
You are looking at the one point of view of all this and ignoring the other. You said yourself the Syrians have 200 anti-aircraft systems, pressumably some of those were "active" Pansyr's and if what the Russians said about their capabilities was true, I don't think Isreal would have risked getting their jets blown out of the sky, just to bomb some facility or as now you are changing your story to and/or check the Pansyr's capabilities, so are you following me?.
4Skunky (July 29, 2008 at 11:48 pm)
I read about the events in the days following the raid with interest, vtkrey, and didn't do the research to answer a YouTuber's replies. Sorry. The accounts, from vastly different sources with different points of view, have many similarities. Do you think for a minute Syria and Russia would come forward truthfully about the events? Russia has egg on its face, because their "state-of-the-art" system was defeated, and Syria would never come clean about obtaining nuclear materials from North Korea.
4Skunky (July 29, 2008 at 11:48 pm)
During the flight into Syrian airspace, their defenses were jammed (either by the US or Israel-doesn't matter either way, does it?). At the nuclear site, 2 Pantsir systems were active (data on their capabilities was collected). These were jammed, and destroyed by missiles, along with the structure at the site. Third, after studying information from Israel's incursion, Russia announces upgrades to their anti-aircraft system's electronics. To hear you tell it, it's all just coincidence. Or not...
4Skunky (July 29, 2008 at 11:31 pm)
Who is trying to be "confincing", vtkrey? The way it's been reported by several unrelated sources is: First, intelligence assets on the ground tracked materials from a North Korean freighter supposed to be carrying cement to a site in Syria, and watched the goings-on for approx. 3 days. Second, the raid on the site would also provide intelligence about the capabilities of a purported "state-of-the-art" Russian anti-aircraft system (one that would soon be in use in Iran). Following so far? |
