redmtl (July 24, 2008 at 3:26 am)

This video is so unconvincing. You can take any set of events and match them to make a pattern. But more importantly here - if she is right - what is her real point? Why is capitalism so bad when compared to the alternatives? Don't get me wrong, by most standards I'm a liberal (the movement that pioneered the free market), but this is just pointless journalism, tying together ideas for the sake of it.

yooxwusup (July 23, 2008 at 8:32 pm)

this is stupidit doesnt make any sense at all

Jolene8 (July 22, 2008 at 6:52 pm)

We see these tactics used in socialism, communism, in the history of all man made political regimes... Castroism, Reganism...I can go on and on.

Jolene8 (July 22, 2008 at 6:49 pm)

Of course it was born in shock...Look at how this country was founded.The British and other Europeans came in with their guns blazing and forced the market (livestock, land, ports, etc.)in their favor. This has been going on for centuries i.e. The Medieval times when these torture tactics were mastered-- during the inquisition, by usurpers, noblemen, Religious men and of course the Kings and Queens (rulers) of long ago. Even before this time. Capitalism is not new.

cochiserjs (July 21, 2008 at 5:44 am)

If you don't intend to argue with me, don't lower the discourse by calling me a sheep without reason. I seriously doubt you're a student of economics given the infantile comment you made to me, but if you don't want to continue this conversation that's completely your decision.

monymizer (July 21, 2008 at 5:29 am)

I'm not going to argue with you on here. We will just have to agree to disagree. I'm very busy in college right now studying economics.

cochiserjs (July 21, 2008 at 3:35 am)

What did I just say?What Friedman said did not advocate creating crises. Klein complains that he used Katrina as an opportunity to implement his school vouchers system. Well what is immoral about this? If you see an opportunity to implementing a better system you should. The objection to this is prefaced by the notion that capitalism is inherently evil (which it isn't), when socialists do the same thing Klein does not complain, she uses them as examples of the public wanting socialism.

delerium2k (July 21, 2008 at 1:04 am)

cochiserjs, no one school (here, capitalism) uses shock in order to further its wants - all of them do. For instance many historians believe that the burning of the Reichstag was perpetrated by the nazis themselves to make the case for war on their domestic enemies (jews, commies, etc). You mention Cuba. Are you aware of Operation Northwoods? False flag operations are a key aspect of many country's foreign policy. Not to mention the controversy with the Gulf of Tonkin incident (Vietnam prelude).

cochiserjs (July 19, 2008 at 9:26 am)

You want a history lesson, here's a list of shocks: The Russian civil war, the Chinese civil war, the Cuban revolution, the Vietnam war. I suppose capitalism flourished from these shocks?What Friedman asserts about crises is an analysis similar to the Marxist idea of 'sharpening the contradictions'.You're the one following blindly and uncritically, and you probably know it full well.Our economy...(sinister pause)... What skills of debate you possess... Read a book... Moron... ... ...

monymizer (July 19, 2008 at 7:36 am)

Nah, your just a sheep. Capitalism was started with theft and it remains this way today. My god are you sleeping through what is happening right now or what. Go read history and then come back when you can make an intelligent comment. Oh, by the way...keep following blindly, you are going to get the biggest wake up of your life real soon. Our economy....